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I'm very proud to announce that the

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winner of the 2009 Australian skeptics

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now that's come forward and set to

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reward all jumpy she calls me his nice

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original accepted on her behalf no I

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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well well well Richard what a great

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event that was a Stefan well welcome to

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the skeptic Zone episode number 59

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already for the fourth of December yeah

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that was dr. rachey announcing the bent

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spoon at our big convention yeah I've

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been up in Brisbane yeah it was

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fantastic was called bridge skepticon

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and lots of people there dr. Cole

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korzeniewski was there apart from many

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others he's a bit of a legend he's a bit

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of a legend to do to people know Carly

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dr. Carlin in America and overseas a lot

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of people's your local do yeah he does

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BBC every week as well oh so he's quite

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well known in the UK but hehe i tell you

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what and and the big news of course will

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be sort of discussing this for the next

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year is that he will be appearing a pop

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amongst many other people at tam

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australia are the massive meeting the

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amazing me because it should be called

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the massive meeting listening to me TTT

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mmm a.m. 2 2day or whatever ok in

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conjunction with the James Randi

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Educational Foundation we are going to

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be doing the amazing meeting Australia

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that's the 26 to the 28th of november

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2010 is honey yes i got in my diary and

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everything and it's in that crazy

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looking building isn't the masonic lodge

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masonic lodge but it's a fantastic

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auditorium it's really and it's really

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great it's right downtown near chinatown

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near also to transport near lots of

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hotels fantastic that's really good i

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Richard is 0 Y is there a homeopathic

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alcohol homeopathic alcohol I'm thinking

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of switching to homeopathic Alvin oh you

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the silly season and you know yeah I do

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I'm looking for a knife homeopathic

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alcohol that I can switch to yeah they

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call it water ah I should have stuck to

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that anyway but let's get on with the

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show shall we will at this show is

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dedicated to the convention up in

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going to kick off with our friends from

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the Merseyside skeptics society in the

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UK no good when Michael Marshall sent me

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audio clip they've made an open letter

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to the boots line of pharmacies in the

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UK asking them not to sell as you are

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that's because I know chemists and

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pharmacies are really going a bit

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overboard aren't there some of the stuff

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he can buy there now it's just it's it's

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completely non-medical at all it's

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absolutely crazy absolutely crazy all

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those people who are downloading this

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show on Saturday here in Australia dr.

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ten-thirty on Saturday night you're not

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getting out and about anterior you can

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tune in that WWE to GV calm oh okay well

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the ferry across the Mersey and vendor

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and get on with it okay I'll see you at

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an open letter to alliance boots the

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boots brand is synonymous with health

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care in the United Kingdom your website

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speaks proudly about your role as a

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health care provider your commitment to

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deliver exceptional patient care for

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many people you are their first resource

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for medical advice and their chosen

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dispensary for prescription and

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non-prescription medicines the British

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public trusts boot however in evidence

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given recently to the commons Science

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and Technology Committee you admitted

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efficacious despite this homeopathic

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products are offered for sale in boots

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pharmacies many them bearing the trusted

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boots brand not only is this 200 year

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old sued or therapy implausible it is

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scientifically absurd the reported

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mechanisms of action fly in the face of

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our understanding of chemistry physics

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scientific research concludes that

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homeopathy offers nor therapeutic effect

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beyond placebo but you continue to sell

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these products regardless because

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customers believe their work is this the

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standard you set for yourselves the

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majority of people do not have the time

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scientific literature supports the

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claims of efficacy made by products such

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as homeopathy we trust brands such as

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boots to check the facts for us to

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provide sound medical advice that's in

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our interest and supply only those

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products with a demonstrable benefit we

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don't expect to find products on the

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shelf at our local pharmacy which do not

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work not only these products ineffective

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delay seeking proper medical assistance

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tell patients that after taking a

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homeopathic medicine your symptoms may

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sign that the body's natural energies

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advice such as this directly encourages

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patients to wait before seeking real

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medical attention even when their

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condition deteriorates we call upon

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boots to withdraw all homeopathic

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products from your shelves you should

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not be involved in the sale of

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ineffective products because your

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customers trust you to do what is right

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excellent patient care is better served

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by supplying only those products whose

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claims can be substantiated by rigorous

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scientific research or do you really

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believe that boot should be in the

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business of selling placebos to the sick

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and the injured the support lent by

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boots to this quack therapy contributes

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directly to its acceptance as a valid

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medical treatment by the British public

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acceptance it it doesn't warrant a

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support it does not deserve please do

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the right thing and remove this bogus

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therapy from your shelves you're

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Bryn skepticon 2009 otherwise known as

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the Australian skeptics national

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convention was held from the 27 to the

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29th of November 2009 in Brisbane sunny

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Queensland Australia dr. Reggie and I

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together with some skeptics in Sydney

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headed up for this wonderful event on DJ

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842 and in 115 service you had a gate

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change to gate landed 30 ball I think

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she's finished oh my gosh so basically

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the planes late yeah that's what I said

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the plane is like but we're off to

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brisbane dr 84 yes we are Bridge

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yeah well it's our annual convention

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Richard isn't it yes yeah this year

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we're heading to sunny Brisbane and

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we're going to hear the likes of dr.

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Karl yes Chris Liske Chris on whiskey

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was amiss give me you you're speaking of

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allergy Wilson Christy well yeah looking

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forward or Peter elephant lots of good

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good famous people but they're big the

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big news of course and this will be

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coming up on the podcast is the

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announcement of Tam Australia yeah

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yeah how excited it's very exciting

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gentlemen once again we should be a very

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last page for me to Melanie Sullivan if

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away immediately it's pretty getting out

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getting ready for a party spoon point

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and pray for the baby isn't hot cha how

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embarrassing for it to be cold out I'm

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numpty you just get on the plane well

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here we are flying over the central

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coast of New South Wales having just

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waterways and inlets beautiful isn't it

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because there's on the lme line today we

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topic joke of the Living channel to the

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credit card very kindly for me so I can

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our reporter Kylie Sturgis was also on

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the scene with her recorder so I'll uh

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what she recorded he would got the ratio

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of dr. Rachel reports and joel is

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about the norms that were all collected

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in the special bags and rachel is

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is that Rachel it's the young Australian

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Donaldson and I'm just adding it to my

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Australian skeptics I've got dragoncon

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and the skeptic zone and now young

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of Exile yes yes i think actually i

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celebration it's funny how many journeys

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that you need to have a long journey or

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geologic records don't knit think for

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yourself absolutely so that's another

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podcast and we are looking forward to

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more young Australian skeptics podcast I

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munching the fury in order to clear his

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mouth so he can say why are yes indeed

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that is what's going to be happening why

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yes indeed that's what's gonna be

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happening yes we love the young

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Australian skeptics podcast especially

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we can make them choke after eating a

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whole pile of molly's and then asking

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them a question whilst they're trying to

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norm well I have to maintain my image is

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the youngest person here I have to eat

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all the lies Barbara enough going to be

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drinking any of the copious amounts of

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beer that I've been displayed before me

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that's like a you and I will be the only

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cyber people making sure everyone

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staggers into the book launch which

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we're all looking forward to yes yes and

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that's going to be Martin rich dog

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school but I saw that Jason had a copy

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of it earlier I don't think a stations

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copy we were just posing with it and

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having a look probably gonna buy buy

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some for the people back home need some

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souvenirs from Brisbane okay it's called

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beyond belief and that's what we're all

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here for at the moment hoping to see

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Martin rich stop sign a few copies tell

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us all about sit down

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looking forward to it being forward to

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an absolutely my goodness me the numbers

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are just starting to grow immensely here

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homie Richard Kiley hello you and your

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fuzzy little um Tribble yes it's my

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windsock triple for my love it meizu me

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I'm jealous now I love this it's great

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I'm gonna have to see about getting you

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one too i got this off ebay did you yes

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I'm for those people are wondering what

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the hell we're talking about Carly has

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got a wonderful windsock sort of a

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device on her microphone so we don't get

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any of that horrible it's not a will of

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its own Muppet it's a muppet looks like

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a muppet ribble yes it's an outtake from

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ebony Huebel yes it's a Tribble yes it

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is my hi Emma trouble with a Tribble

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that's what I am and I'm talking to

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Richard Saunders how are you you're not

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unwell you're looking really healthy I

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which is better yeah i mean my listeners

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might have noticed that the last few

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podcast site is not sounding one hundred

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percent but i'm nearly better i had a

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little chest infection but no all's good

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and you're going to be in fact recording

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a significant amount of the in fact I'm

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video in almost every moment of the

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conference not not these social moments

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with the speakers yeah yeah and there's

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so many people turning up we have got

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dr. carl himself the fabulous dr.

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Chrissy blossom oh yes I can't wait to

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meet Chrissy again always have a good

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time fishes yep we have reached office

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is being launched in 10 minutes 10

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minutes I burger better get here quick

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oh my god I'm into eating and running it

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welcome to the life of the Australian

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skeptical podcast is where we just eat

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normal and run for the next Harry

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Williams himself will be talking oh yes

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yeah the big lineup a big lineup so

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really looking for new doctor oh yeah

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i'm here with Margaret Margaret tell us

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all about yourself this is everyone's

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picking on my Tribble yes indeed it is a

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Tribble on the top of my recording

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device see the one only the one I know

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but I am a trouble with the Tribble

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Margaret Gibson are you yes Isles and

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tribulations okay so tell us about the

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convention you are indeed the guiding

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force is not showing I was a silly

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person that last year in April put up my

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hand at wagah and said okay I'll do the

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next convention it is looking wonderful

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so far really beautiful here this is a

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great thing yeah Kylie even though

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you're you interviewing me yep is this

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your first time at University of

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Queensland campus it is and it's a

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beautiful campus isn't it it is gorgeous

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yes so we're about to you staying I'm

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actually staying on campus I Matt

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Duchene college Oh Young Honus Shane and

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you've even pronounced it the right way

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well done yeah I'm fighting a local all

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that wrong anyway I better keep moving

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you got to keep moving we're looking

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forward to seeing how it goes thanks

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Richard was flying over here and he flew

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over somewhere special we flew over

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bangalow right there it is the moment we

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are flying near bangalow and i turned

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the rachey and i said look we're flying

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over bangalow you can't something what

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is Richard show oh my god it's a picture

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great show in after you coherent picture

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Rachel thinking about Meryl Dori bang

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glows just down there and she went like

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one of the attendees of bris kepta khan

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was gold who was single-handedly setting

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up a number of skeptics in the pub all

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across New Zealand he was largely due to

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you there's am I ended up going to the

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orphan skeptics in the pub in the first

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place and you have just been going on

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and on in the home how do you do it and

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what does it be more okay the skeptics

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in the pub in New Zealand originally

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started with a group in Christchurch

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because that's where I live i was using

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a service called meetup com and they

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have a paid-for system for organizing

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gatherings it's ok disclaimer i am not

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associated with the company at all

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that's okay neither neither am i about

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many of us skeptics here in australia

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also use it it seemed to become a bit of

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an international phenomenon drawing upon

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me calm so that seems to be a very

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useful tool what else happened ok after

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i started up the Christchurch one and I

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got in touch with Vicki hide who runs

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the New Zealand skeptics incorporated

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which is the recognized New Zealand

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skeptical society and she posted it out

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to her

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well the mail lists that they manage and

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I also found the New Zealand skeptics

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yahoo group and posted it out to their

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and between meetup com in New Zealand

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skeptics and the yahoo group we've got

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25 to 30 people show up to the first

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christchurch skeptics in the pub an

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excellent number it blew my mind yonex

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lines in wonder it was it was way more

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than I expected and from there the it

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sort of tailed off just slightly but the

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Christchurch skeptics now run

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fortnightly meetings we don't get

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numbers nearly that high but we get we

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get probably 15 12 10 to 20 people

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perform nightly meet up and the people

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that show up on a monthly basis are

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regular on a fortnightly basis we have a

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small group that regularly show up and

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we have a large group that show up every

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month whether that's on a monday or

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tuesday after getting christchurch up

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and running I got Auckland up and

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running and that's the one that Kylie

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came to yes it was really absolutely

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wonderful venue and wonderful people yet

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we had about 50 odd people i think show

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up to to the first one in auckland and

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i'm pleased to say that i was there

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which was the first time I met Kylie

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which was a pleasure and where do we go

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from there the next one after auckland

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was Wellington and we ran that one

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around at the same time as the New

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Zealand skeptics conference so we got 15

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to 20 people show up to the first

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Wellington skeptics in the pub and at

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the end of the conference we ran a very

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impromptu skeptics in the pub after the

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conference and we had 15 to 20 people

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show up there and from there which due

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to poor timing and poor management we

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didn't get as many people as we could

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have but we got it a lot of conference

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goers and a reasonable number of them

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were from Wellington and the Wellington

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membership of the meetup group jumped by

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probably thirty to fifty percent so

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you're grabbing opportunities that are

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out there building more numbers over

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time for those people who might not be

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aware of New Zealand it's actually two

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different islands so you're hopping from

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the North Island and a South Island in

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order to build up opportunities for

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people to get together yeah pretty

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so let me see Auckland's the North

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Island and it's Auckland and Wellington

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are in the North Island and Christchurch

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and Dunedin which is the latest skeptics

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in the pub group in New Zealand both

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south island groups and I'm pleased to

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say that I managed to get to the Dunedin

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one as well and I have recently had

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interest from a guy and Nelson I have

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that's also in the South iron I've

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suggested that he get in touch with the

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the yahoo group skeptics in the pub net

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NZ which is the website that everything

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is run from we've got a number of meetup

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sites but the site that you want to go

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to is skeptics in the pub net NZ and

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from there you'll be able to find all of

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the existing meetup sites they're all

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right there on the front page and

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everything's run from there so if you're

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in New Zealand and you're a skeptic and

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you're listening to this right now why

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have you not yet registered you better

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register because I've already done one

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and it was bloody fantastic at sign it

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is in Australia on the Friday night of

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the convention dr. Martin bridge stock

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launched his book beyond belief

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scepticism science and the paranormal

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it's an evidence-based approach to the

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paranormal drawing upon various studies

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and investigations including the

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research that you can hear both Kylie

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and Martin present in episode 47 of the

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skeptic zone published by Cambridge

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University Press you can find it online

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and add in biggin books who were the

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Brisbane bookstore featured at bridge

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you see this convention is being held on

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an anniversary of an important event

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here in Queensland and I suspect that

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nobody quite knows what that anniversary

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is I had to do something which rather

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embarrasses me for some reason I keep

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Diaries going back decades they're just

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brief mentions of the things I did

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here's my 1984 diary and here's my 1985

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diary and going through those I find

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that pretty well 25 years ago the

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Queensland skeptics began to get

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involved with creation science now 25

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years ago we had a fundamentalist

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Ministry of Education who was beginning

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the process of forcing creation science

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that is on the trial account of the book

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of Genesis into science studies here in

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this state in our state school system

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and it was pretty well 25 years ago this

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month that the Australian skeptics in

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Queensland the tiny little group got

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together and began to say we ought to do

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something about this this is quite

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alarming that an extreme religious view

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can be forced into science studies in

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our state schools and that meeting of

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the Queensland skeptics then decided to

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hold a very large meeting to which large

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numbers of people were invited and it

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was in fact held on this campus in the

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abel smith theater which is just a few

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hundred meters from here and that

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meeting took place in march 1985 and

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about three hundred and sixty people

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turned up there was a very large

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audience and they heard five speakers

543
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attack creation science from all

544
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different angles from the point of view

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of theology from the point of view of

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mathematics from the point of view of

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biology and many others at the end of

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the session there was thunderous

549
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applause from nearly all the people and

550
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that marked the beginning of the

551
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australian skeptics campaigning queens

552
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went to stop creation science being

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taught in the science syllabus in our

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schools it took about a year of very

555
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hard fighting at the end of that time

556
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the queensland government backed off and

557
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skeptics and traditions and was never

558
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taught in queensland state schools so

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that's a very important victory in my

560
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we ought to remember these victories

561
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because it's so easy as younger skeptics

562
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come in it's so easy not to know about

563
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what's happened in the past and yet

564
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right here there was 25 years ago the

565
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certainly for me one of the highlights

566
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of the the convention was the dinner

567
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awards as you heard earlier in the show

568
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the bent spoon went to merrill dory of

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the Australian vaccination at work we

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announced ham Australia which was very

571
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exciting and we also announced the first

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Fred award I'll let Iran sir give

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president of Australian skeptics and one

574
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of our reporters take over now standing

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here today to present the inaugural

576
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formats award for the promotion of

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reason an award which we hopefully

578
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unknown into a whole testing as afraid

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but before I speak about the award I

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want to say what few words about Fred

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weather lady rich life you have lived in

582
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several places around Australia before

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making isn't home in Hobart he served in

584
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military it was the justice of the peace

585
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he had been a civil servant for many

586
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years and even after he retired he

587
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continued to serve as magistrate and a

588
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member of a mental mental health

589
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tribunal he traveled the world and

590
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brought the roof of the world back to

591
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her bout with him he was a family man

592
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and a proud father to I mr Clare it was

593
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a man of broad knowledge and an even

594
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broader range of opinions and he was a

595
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skeptic fred was the secretary of

596
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:38,149
Tasmania skeptics for many years and was

597
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the convener of the 2007 National

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Convention in Hobart which was widely

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acclaimed as a great success this

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through his involving with a skeptical

601
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movement that many of us came to no

602
00:25:55,450 --> 00:25:51,950
threat and many of us considered him to

603
00:25:58,930 --> 00:25:55,460
be a dear friend as barely said in his

604
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eulogy of Fred yes he could be former

605
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when the occasion demanded it was also

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funny icon plastic irreverent practical

607
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thoughtful cheerful pedantic tolerant

608
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honorable and loyal all the things you

609
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:14,809
need in a true friend Fred I'd in April

610
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this year and his family in his many

611
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:20,000
friends miss him dearly it was therefore

612
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almost natural that calls for doing

613
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something to commemorate his to

614
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:25,909
commemorate him came from several

615
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different people from various face and

616
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:29,730
without any coordination

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after some discussion it was decided to

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establish the formation award for the

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promotion of Reason which will be

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awarded to a member of the public or

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public figure was made a significant

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contribution to educating or informing

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the public regarding issues of science

624
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and reason as part of the award one

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thousand dollars will be ordered to the

626
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recipient or to a charity or cause of

627
00:26:58,740 --> 00:26:56,710
their choice it is fitting that the

628
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inaugural prayer should be ordered by

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Ludmilla tornadoes eat with us tonight

630
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and it is also fitting that you should

631
00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:23,490
and vino gold fred is ordered to Tony

632
00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:26,200
and David McCaffrey in recognition of

633
00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:28,750
the relentless and brave campaign to

634
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ensure parents are provided with

635
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credible information regarding vaccines

636
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:34,720
and the dangers that await those who

637
00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:37,930
choose not to vaccinate Tony and David

638
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:39,190
have been doing this after having lost

639
00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:41,250
their daughter Dana to looking coffee

640
00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:43,060
circumstances that would be trying even

641
00:27:47,490 --> 00:27:44,830
without the additional stress of dealing

642
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:47,500
with those who try to spread fear and

643
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:50,050
misinformation we are unanimous in our

644
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:51,190
respect for their effort and

645
00:27:55,770 --> 00:27:54,100
achievements I'd like to our scooter to

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present the first four night award for

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the promotion of promotion of Reason

648
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could even firstly one and we really

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done whatever we've done for our

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community it's really important to us we

651
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stood about builders brave dharti she

652
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died and we have maybe a chasing us all

653
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sorts of things had a 30 miles we've got

654
00:29:00,430 --> 00:28:58,770
this is an important issue they're

655
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,440
committed on earth were you thinking

656
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:02,720
balance for the day I thought the dog

657
00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:07,140
we're seeing in the ICU and I said this

658
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:09,950
is a book epidemic is nothing about it

659
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,250
you alter careful parents go out with

660
00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:16,559
her so much we wanted to do something to

661
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honor a minute and we decided to do

662
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something with cited in media which was

663
00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:25,260
a big liar and a forest and then decide

664
00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:27,929
reading all these silly quotes and all

665
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:34,750
we we went to this chance him to bite

666
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are to be done in the video before we

667
00:29:43,580 --> 00:29:41,790
done wrong and we very also you around

668
00:29:48,290 --> 00:29:43,590
the white friends and how many people

669
00:29:52,220 --> 00:29:48,300
wanted to help us we have a boy the film

670
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:52,230
an award and after such a one of the man

671
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:54,690
you can tell his foot brake why he would

672
00:29:59,299 --> 00:29:56,970
be because you just have to speak to

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leave walk and real exam specially when

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Missi special we're proud to the

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Associated Australian skeptics and

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00:30:16,180 --> 00:30:10,380
really it's just wonderful to have you

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00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:18,009
we're just trying to get a sensible

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00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:23,360
thing make people work digestive disease

679
00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:26,290
how important vaccinations for better

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stop Robert side isn't hopefully

681
00:30:39,460 --> 00:30:33,770
somewhere Fred and Diana smiling down on

682
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this tomorrow that's why we soon we

683
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,240
think this transcript exfoliate our

684
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:43,520
tireless work and support and continued

685
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,250
support we look forward to meeting you

686
00:30:50,530 --> 00:30:48,559
all later on and passed my upper world

687
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thanks to all its people that need out

688
00:31:00,760 --> 00:30:56,030
of the office yeah it's the website that

689
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:00,770
you started you soon bye and take care I

690
00:31:08,539 --> 00:31:06,500
we just hope that the government

691
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actually starts work on the promises of

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00:31:14,029 --> 00:31:11,429
their mate to take some of the whale a

693
00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:14,039
few people can get on the lives and the

694
00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:15,750
good work that you do in other areas of

695
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:37,039
just following on from everything else

696
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:39,929
Dave said if we were we're just in

697
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,539
complete shock how somebody can have a

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00:31:48,639 --> 00:31:44,880
husband baby and then seeing what she

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00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:48,649
went to and how she suffered and just

700
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:51,539
you know we had 15 medical staff child

701
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:53,490
to save her in conference with people

702
00:31:57,580 --> 00:31:54,930
all around

703
00:32:01,480 --> 00:31:57,590
there's nothing that could be done and

704
00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:01,490
but nothing shocked us more like is

705
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:04,470
there no sort of reaction after she died

706
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:08,700
and we started seeing the national media

707
00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:11,850
leaving the newspapers and it was then

708
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:15,060
that before you know she she fought and

709
00:32:20,150 --> 00:32:18,120
she suffered so much we get to speak up

710
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:20,160
for her we will continue to speak up for

711
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,690
their that we wouldn't be able to speak

712
00:32:29,310 --> 00:32:27,360
up for her continue to do so that's all

713
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:29,320
of you all

714
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,450
clearly remember after the first Sunday

715
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:34,880
night episode aired it was a very

716
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:42,050
surreal experience and I you know the

717
00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:43,970
whole Facebook thing and that will lady

718
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:47,060
came about because flung my sister works

719
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:49,610
in internet advertising so anyone I knew

720
00:32:53,650 --> 00:32:51,980
it was just doing something to help so

721
00:32:55,570 --> 00:32:53,660
when I were Facebook just to see what

722
00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:55,580
some of the reaction have been I did a

723
00:33:00,160 --> 00:32:58,070
Google of Dana's name when i came across

724
00:33:03,550 --> 00:33:00,170
this skeptics for what you do but

725
00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:03,560
missing woman called Mary yellan and I a

726
00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:07,160
group her blog okay that seemed quite

727
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:08,750
supportive and then I went on the

728
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facebook and I saw these many rainbow

729
00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:15,200
braces could reach it and this message

730
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,230
that you've done the right thing and dr.

731
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:20,480
Phil Plait in the u.s. is behind you i

732
00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:33,760
think such a blessing to us because at a

733
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:38,190
time when we would just start me

734
00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:40,440
do you think Tyler but then also

735
00:33:49,369 --> 00:33:44,039
struggling the ministy feature y'all out

736
00:33:52,220 --> 00:33:49,379
there in the way you've been able to

737
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:52,230
help us pick ourselves up move forward

738
00:33:58,159 --> 00:33:54,779
and don't leave the sea life that's

739
00:34:03,400 --> 00:33:58,169
interest upon us and we will be able to

740
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:06,910
dr. Rachel done what we turn they're

741
00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:15,839
feed baggage which is sound he's not

742
00:34:23,970 --> 00:34:20,260
here tonight Daniel Rafael no we really

743
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:23,980
get little in bounce from Daniel time to

744
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:27,760
time and I'm so wonderful and then they

745
00:34:36,899 --> 00:34:32,080
have since about it is that no I believe

746
00:34:39,570 --> 00:34:36,909
in have a facebook and then we've got

747
00:34:41,609 --> 00:34:39,580
thirty four thousand friends and then we

748
00:34:45,629 --> 00:34:41,619
stopped the AP and has bugs down some

749
00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:45,639
people and take seniors all your lovely

750
00:34:53,129 --> 00:34:50,200
messages really and many people that

751
00:34:55,980 --> 00:34:53,139
have just come out of the blue I can can

752
00:35:01,560 --> 00:34:55,990
the cloud repeating all these people

753
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:01,570
that move and a most definite date and

754
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:03,730
time just knowing that people are out

755
00:35:12,260 --> 00:35:07,370
there but so I guess what we say

756
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:12,270
we very graciously accept this award but

757
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:15,180
we wouldn't be able to promote very

758
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:17,130
smooth awesome for everything that you

759
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:18,760
do

760
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:26,950
all of what I wanted to say to finish

761
00:35:31,089 --> 00:35:28,970
was that what we're doing is we've been

762
00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:31,099
in contact with them professor peter

763
00:35:37,450 --> 00:35:34,670
mcintyre merged in the program looks at

764
00:35:39,789 --> 00:35:37,460
the Children's Hospital it was me go

765
00:35:41,849 --> 00:35:39,799
donate money they're starting a study in

766
00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:41,859
the next few weeks for looking at the

767
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:44,750
possible link between strengthening

768
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,940
mothers antibodies and hopefully

769
00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:50,160
children that do get pertussis fight it

770
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:52,950
so I think it's going to a pretty really

771
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,570
cause and we're also going to be working

772
00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:56,640
with the Children's Hospital is made on

773
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:00,060
some education videos and we will be

774
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:26,900
and so finally it was time to go home

775
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:30,210
from Bruce skepticon fantastic event a

776
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:32,670
big thank you to Margaret kitson and the

777
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:34,410
Queensland skeptics for putting it all

778
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:37,079
together the next one the next time

779
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:40,500
we'll be meeting in Australia well tam

780
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,060
australia in sydney ah florida beautiful

781
00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:53,760
sunkissed florida now those people in

782
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,740
Southwest Florida you might be

783
00:36:59,960 --> 00:36:57,119
interested to know about a new group

784
00:37:03,260 --> 00:36:59,970
called the suncoast skeptics you can

785
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:03,270
find out about them at meetup com / sun

786
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:06,390
coast skeptics check it out their first

787
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:08,700
skeptics in the pub will be on the

788
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:11,250
eighth of january boy if I had a few

789
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,599
thousand dollars lying around I'd

790
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:14,700
certainly fly over and go down to

791
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:16,859
skeptics in the pub in Florida but I

792
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:21,390
can't so you go for me meetup.com / sun

793
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:28,020
coast skeptics join us now for drinking

794
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:38,569
you haven't written like this just papa

795
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:42,240
dating okay you go and welcome to the

796
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:50,250
brisbane think tank now when i asked the

797
00:37:53,780 --> 00:37:51,900
gathered crowd here to be nice and loud

798
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:53,790
I didn't mean to be deafening sorry

799
00:37:57,859 --> 00:37:55,530
Richard that's quite all right look

800
00:37:59,540 --> 00:37:57,869
joining me on the the brisbane think

801
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:59,550
tank is a whole room full of delegates

802
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:00,480
here at the brisbane convention

803
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:03,960
including the skeptic zones very own

804
00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:09,570
Kylie Sturgis making a welcome return

805
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:15,300
its Dave the happy singer and lots of

806
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:16,980
other people you can say hello introduce

807
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:18,690
yourself when you talk if you wish or

808
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:21,690
you can remain unknown to the great

809
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,099
unwashed out there what an interesting

810
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:25,140
convention it's been so far I think

811
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:26,970
we've been lurching from air-conditioned

812
00:38:31,579 --> 00:38:30,180
room 28 industry but in some late

813
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:31,589
breaking news now those of you who

814
00:38:35,540 --> 00:38:33,810
listen to the podcast earlier on

815
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:35,550
probably realized that the bent spoon

816
00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:37,650
award went to Merrill Dory and the

817
00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:40,230
Australian vaccination network this year

818
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:42,150
but we've just heard that there's been

819
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:46,500
some comment from the vaccination

820
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:47,880
network is that right Dave that's right

821
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:49,710
Richard just as just as we start to

822
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:51,390
record this session the Australian

823
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,250
vaccination network have put out a press

824
00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:55,440
release about metal door is winning of

825
00:38:58,940 --> 00:38:57,660
the events food awards so if you guys

826
00:39:00,980 --> 00:38:58,950
don't mind I just want to read out this

827
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:00,990
fantastic press release this is please

828
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:04,020
dangerous Sunday November 29th for

829
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:06,359
immediate release metal touring

830
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:08,250
president of the Australian vaccination

831
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:11,400
network avian Australia's vaccine safety

832
00:39:22,810 --> 00:39:16,990
it's very proud to have won the

833
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,820
Australian skeptics benefit for 2009 she

834
00:39:27,579 --> 00:39:24,560
joins search prestigious former winners

835
00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:27,589
of dr. Karen Phelps 2008 former head of

836
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:30,140
the Australian Medical Association every

837
00:39:33,819 --> 00:39:32,630
pharmacist in Australia 2006 who

838
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:33,829
wouldn't because they chose to offer

839
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:35,210
their customers the option to purchase

840
00:39:40,210 --> 00:39:37,190
vitamins minerals and other nutritional

841
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:40,220
supplements in slaw journalists my

842
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:43,400
Quilici to 1999 and vaccine safety

843
00:39:49,210 --> 00:39:46,730
researcher dr. Vera scheibner to 1997

844
00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:49,220
miss Dorry took the brightest by some

845
00:39:54,010 --> 00:39:51,470
formidable competition from the likes of

846
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:54,020
News Limited senator stephen fielding

847
00:39:57,730 --> 00:39:55,970
philosophy and bioethics writer Peter

848
00:40:01,180 --> 00:39:57,740
Singer and the University of Queensland

849
00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:01,190
all of whom were also nominated I am

850
00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:03,380
very grateful for the recognition of an

851
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:05,630
organization such as the skeptics so

852
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:08,089
it's the story it will inspire me to try

853
00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:10,250
even harder to continue promoting the

854
00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:11,630
message of free informed and

855
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:15,589
scientifically based health shop but

856
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:17,300
those who have never heard it the

857
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:19,130
Australian skeptics is an organization

858
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:23,210
whose religious belief is is that

859
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:25,250
anything Western medicine approves of is

860
00:40:29,859 --> 00:40:27,710
always right and anyone who questions

861
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:29,869
the safety or efficacy of drugs vaccines

862
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:32,930
or surgery is always wrong they hide

863
00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:34,609
behind terms such as pseudoscience

864
00:40:39,309 --> 00:40:36,470
despite being offered copious quantities

865
00:40:41,710 --> 00:40:39,319
of peer review research to show that not

866
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:41,720
every medical procedure is safe not

867
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:44,450
every drug or vaccine is effective much

868
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,430
like the medieval church their main

869
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:48,319
tactics are to ridicule and try to

870
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,210
silence anyone who speaks out against

871
00:40:54,099 --> 00:40:52,640
their blind beliefs I could almost wish

872
00:40:56,260 --> 00:40:54,109
that an honorary membership of the

873
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,270
skeptics came along with the award but

874
00:41:00,190 --> 00:40:58,160
then again I don't feel that I have the

875
00:41:04,329 --> 00:41:00,200
necessary unquestioning single-minded

876
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:10,609
the story for the first half of that I

877
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:12,329
really thought for the first time in

878
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:14,249
Australian skeptics history we had a

879
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:16,380
bent spoon Award winner who didn't

880
00:41:21,789 --> 00:41:17,609
realize that it was meant to be an

881
00:41:24,229 --> 00:41:21,799
insult to kindly trickle through Oh

882
00:41:26,989 --> 00:41:24,239
Deary me what an interesting comment

883
00:41:28,969 --> 00:41:26,999
from merrill dory that it's a reminds me

884
00:41:32,180 --> 00:41:28,979
of a similar approach taken by second

885
00:41:34,219 --> 00:41:32,190
opinion the ABC show who showcasing

886
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:34,229
various absolutely absurd quackery

887
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:36,329
medicine a couple years ago and they

888
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:38,130
said we as we accept the bent spoon in

889
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:39,930
the humor in which it's given no it's

890
00:41:45,499 --> 00:41:43,049
not given in bloody humor that time all

891
00:41:47,749 --> 00:41:45,509
this time it was given as a kick up the

892
00:41:49,759 --> 00:41:47,759
bum you know I think what a lot of

893
00:41:52,219 --> 00:41:49,769
outsiders don't realize is that all

894
00:41:54,229 --> 00:41:52,229
those skeptics enjoy human we like being

895
00:41:56,809 --> 00:41:54,239
funny we like laughs what we're actually

896
00:41:58,759 --> 00:41:56,819
about is deadly serious and contrary to

897
00:42:01,069 --> 00:41:58,769
what that press release says no we don't

898
00:42:02,839 --> 00:42:01,079
accept that all medicine is good all

899
00:42:04,789 --> 00:42:02,849
medicine is writing least at medical

900
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:04,799
establishment is right but the fact is

901
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:06,900
that there are rigorous testing

902
00:42:10,579 --> 00:42:08,910
procedures for medicine and for other

903
00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:10,589
medical and surgical procedures and

904
00:42:14,359 --> 00:42:12,359
those things ought to be taken seriously

905
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:14,369
and used appropriately with judgment

906
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:16,140
this woman doesn't appear to understand

907
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:17,910
that no she doesn't understand it at all

908
00:42:23,529 --> 00:42:21,569
especially when she is one of the crowd

909
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:23,539
running around trying to support

910
00:42:29,420 --> 00:42:26,130
homeopathy which is scientifically

911
00:42:31,579 --> 00:42:29,430
absurd yes and they won't come near us

912
00:42:33,439 --> 00:42:31,589
for our challenge hello Merrill we're

913
00:42:35,059 --> 00:42:33,449
waiting you can prove homeopathy works

914
00:42:37,189 --> 00:42:35,069
you get a hundred thousand dollars of

915
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:37,199
our money you could rub that in Queen

916
00:42:41,809 --> 00:42:39,569
email leave us poorer and leave us

917
00:42:45,229 --> 00:42:41,819
humiliated years got the challenge right

918
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:45,239
here no it's very sad but hey I'm glad

919
00:42:49,309 --> 00:42:47,160
she acknowledged it and responded what

920
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,319
the hell well she hasn't even got it

921
00:42:54,289 --> 00:42:52,079
getting good well we were planning on

922
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:54,299
dropping it ha no pets go playing at

923
00:43:00,260 --> 00:42:56,520
gunpoint yeah I'm flying over her

924
00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:00,270
here it is but I know we actually don't

925
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:01,830
send them anything as far as i know i

926
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:02,940
think we ought to send them a

927
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:04,770
certificate with a bent spoon on it i

928
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:06,150
think you know i meanwhile like the

929
00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:08,730
ashes the the actual bent spoon stays in

930
00:43:12,860 --> 00:43:10,590
a safe cabin somewhere but they get a

931
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:12,870
certificate to testify to their glorious

932
00:43:17,330 --> 00:43:14,550
achievements well it's interesting

933
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,340
Grissom's in years ago and passed last

934
00:43:21,110 --> 00:43:19,500
witness is simply not even acknowledge

935
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:21,120
the fact that they even knew about it or

936
00:43:24,140 --> 00:43:22,770
heard about her or anything it's

937
00:43:25,850 --> 00:43:24,150
probably the most sensible thing to do

938
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:25,860
well it is but it just shows that

939
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:27,300
someone like Meryl just can't help

940
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,250
herself when it shows that she is very

941
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:31,680
media savvy and she's putting spin on

942
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:33,660
things she's using humor and she is

943
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:35,490
finding us back with a weapon the we're

944
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:37,140
trying to use against her so will this

945
00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:38,670
now be an opportunity for the Australian

946
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:41,030
skeptics to respond in kind by saying

947
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:44,250
this is not a joke and then telling

948
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:45,540
through some of the certain points that

949
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:46,530
are going through or will have just

950
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:48,090
become a ticket at sort of thing we're

951
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:50,130
just be hard to say hard to say I think

952
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:52,020
anybody with half a brain will realize

953
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:54,180
it's not a joke and what Meryl was

954
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:56,970
saying is is just ridiculous but that's

955
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:59,010
not exactly to target audiences people

956
00:44:06,970 --> 00:44:04,180
but you do the trick attacks on the

957
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:06,980
things you're a true believer so I don't

958
00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:07,730
think you're going to change your mind

959
00:44:10,810 --> 00:44:09,140
but they're very good to the media I

960
00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:10,820
must say the avian a very good that's

961
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:12,830
why they keep getting on TV shows cuz

962
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:15,230
well first and foremost the name is

963
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:17,510
deceptive the Australian vaccination

964
00:44:22,090 --> 00:44:19,640
network and we're so nice and friendly

965
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:22,100
we just want pro-choice and everyone

966
00:44:25,810 --> 00:44:23,690
should be informed which sounds really

967
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,820
great you know that sounds like the

968
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:28,640
ideal well we should change the name of

969
00:44:32,050 --> 00:44:30,710
the skeptical create a parallel group

970
00:44:38,890 --> 00:44:32,060
called the Australian believers

971
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:38,900
Associated yourselves do the truest

972
00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:43,190
really no new paps no you haven't be

973
00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:44,860
like the medieval church of course yes

974
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:47,600
the true Australian homeopaths unlike

975
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:49,850
the homeopathic true Association of

976
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:53,510
Australia squares squares but this

977
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,650
claims to be supporting free

978
00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:56,240
communication and free information is

979
00:45:00,640 --> 00:44:58,190
just not more now by an actual behavior

980
00:45:02,290 --> 00:45:00,650
yeah I mean not only is she you know

981
00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:02,300
taking the facebook page down and made

982
00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:04,660
that a secret navel-gazing echo chamber

983
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:08,420
but they've also just recently the big

984
00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:11,230
mailing list of each other 800 members

985
00:45:15,550 --> 00:45:13,700
has now been purged completely with the

986
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:15,560
request that everybody sign up again is

987
00:45:18,609 --> 00:45:17,090
she was worried that some skeptics might

988
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,619
have got on yeah and read what they were

989
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:20,480
what they were speaking about it you

990
00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:24,609
know unconscionable circle jerk so it

991
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,560
surprises me and rachel dunlop when she

992
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:29,119
was awarding the bent spoon alluded to

993
00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:30,530
some of this that the mainstream media

994
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,140
simply ignore all their loony conspiracy

995
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:35,119
theories that the merrill and her

996
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,010
friends subscribe to like the illuminati

997
00:45:41,489 --> 00:45:38,960
in the one world government David Icke

998
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:41,499
David Icke had some of his

999
00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:44,569
teenage preach on lon Simmons book them

1000
00:45:48,759 --> 00:45:46,700
and you'll find out more about some of

1001
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:48,769
his more really busy maybe they are them

1002
00:45:52,329 --> 00:45:50,450
but they are then they're there they

1003
00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:52,339
could be mellow Dory is at least you

1004
00:45:59,920 --> 00:45:57,220
heard it here all the think tank well

1005
00:46:01,509 --> 00:45:59,930
that's that's interesting oh well the

1006
00:46:04,359 --> 00:46:01,519
battle goes on we're not giving up

1007
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:04,369
Merrill apart from that it's what what a

1008
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:06,710
great conventions it's been we had a

1009
00:46:11,739 --> 00:46:09,529
fantastic day yesterday and I think last

1010
00:46:14,170 --> 00:46:11,749
night's dinner was the most memorable of

1011
00:46:17,229 --> 00:46:14,180
all the skeptics dinners are going to at

1012
00:46:22,210 --> 00:46:17,239
these occasions where the we announced

1013
00:46:27,279 --> 00:46:22,220
tam Australia yeah there's a lot of work

1014
00:46:31,299 --> 00:46:27,289
coming up ready to do-it-all Richard oh

1015
00:46:33,219 --> 00:46:31,309
yes oh yes and of course after that was

1016
00:46:36,479 --> 00:46:33,229
that that was the bent spoon after earth

1017
00:46:40,529 --> 00:46:36,489
Meryl Dory and the awarding of the first

1018
00:46:44,289 --> 00:46:40,539
Fred Thor net prize for reason into

1019
00:46:46,509 --> 00:46:44,299
david and Tony McCaffrey but just what a

1020
00:46:48,910 --> 00:46:46,519
great night it was well it was such an

1021
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:48,920
honor to be able to meet in person david

1022
00:46:54,089 --> 00:46:51,670
and Tony McCaffrey you who came to the

1023
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:54,099
and I noticed quite a lot of people

1024
00:46:58,380 --> 00:46:56,170
grabbed the opportunity to go up to them

1025
00:47:01,319 --> 00:46:58,390
shake the houses thank you so much rule

1026
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:01,329
we're putting so much of your personal

1027
00:47:06,809 --> 00:47:04,420
life yeah yeah what was the dreadful

1028
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:06,819
dreadful experience and yet still

1029
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,890
walking forwards for the good of all

1030
00:47:14,579 --> 00:47:11,440
their community it's it's strange

1031
00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:14,589
coincidence that both Dana McCaffrey and

1032
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:18,940
Fred Thor net died not not too far away

1033
00:47:22,049 --> 00:47:20,740
from each other as in time I think

1034
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:22,059
within the same month or something like

1035
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:25,569
that earlier this year so but there you

1036
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:27,849
go so that was very moving indeed and I

1037
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,490
think the Fred as it will be known will

1038
00:47:35,609 --> 00:47:32,559
be an annual prize by Australian

1039
00:47:38,250 --> 00:47:35,619
skeptics now we just a lot of comment

1040
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:38,260
people have been coming to me just now

1041
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:40,930
we had a very interesting talk about the

1042
00:47:49,319 --> 00:47:46,150
dangers of the fructose and our speaker

1043
00:47:52,109 --> 00:47:49,329
got quite a lot of heated questions and

1044
00:47:54,809 --> 00:47:52,119
comments after his talk what what what

1045
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:54,819
do we think the main comment coming back

1046
00:48:01,020 --> 00:47:57,430
to me was this man was peddling a book

1047
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:01,030
without the scientific credentials to

1048
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:03,609
back it up okay I've got a view on this

1049
00:48:07,859 --> 00:48:06,430
film mayor um I'm not a scientist and

1050
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:07,869
I'm not a scientist in that particular

1051
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:09,880
area I don't know whether there was any

1052
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:12,250
scientists in that area in that in that

1053
00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:14,410
convention hall that could evaluate it

1054
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:15,880
but the fact is what we had was somebody

1055
00:48:19,770 --> 00:48:17,290
who is essentially putting forward a

1056
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:19,780
very controversial scientific theory to

1057
00:48:23,099 --> 00:48:21,760
an audience that couldn't evaluate it

1058
00:48:24,450 --> 00:48:23,109
yeah no I think that's a completely

1059
00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:24,460
inappropriate and therefore acting the

1060
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:26,020
organizers made a mistake and I've ready

1061
00:48:28,829 --> 00:48:27,369
to all them so I think it's

1062
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,839
inappropriate to have that kind of thing

1063
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:30,880
that sort of thing should go to proper

1064
00:48:34,589 --> 00:48:32,890
scientists who understand what the heck

1065
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:34,599
is talking about and are then able to

1066
00:48:38,099 --> 00:48:36,430
say it's a load of garbage or yes it's

1067
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:38,109
right or it's speculative but it might

1068
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:39,970
be right as it is I think that a mistake

1069
00:48:43,859 --> 00:48:42,130
is made in the organization I sort of

1070
00:48:46,530 --> 00:48:43,869
agree with you because I was watching

1071
00:48:48,339 --> 00:48:46,540
and I'm thinking is he wrong do I know

1072
00:48:50,620 --> 00:48:48,349
this no i don't i'm going to

1073
00:48:53,529 --> 00:48:50,630
wrong or not exactly he might be might

1074
00:48:55,029 --> 00:48:53,539
be hit on to a interesting point here or

1075
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:55,039
he might be completely off the mark or

1076
00:49:01,239 --> 00:48:56,930
who are we to judge it sort of reminds

1077
00:49:03,969 --> 00:49:01,249
me a bit of the climate debate yeah same

1078
00:49:06,009 --> 00:49:03,979
person in Adelaide wasn't it and there

1079
00:49:08,229 --> 00:49:06,019
was a few sessions on climate change

1080
00:49:10,029 --> 00:49:08,239
debate in Tasmania as well we hung out

1081
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at the conference there and that caused

1082
00:49:14,049 --> 00:49:11,509
a lot of discussion and now I believe

1083
00:49:16,329 --> 00:49:14,059
that climate change debate has pretty

1084
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:16,339
much been moved off the skeptic

1085
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,410
convention suit yeah well a lot of

1086
00:49:23,529 --> 00:49:20,720
people were fed up with it you know

1087
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:23,539
hearing and yet another talk about

1088
00:49:27,219 --> 00:49:25,729
climate change and who are the skeptics

1089
00:49:29,799 --> 00:49:27,229
and what's happening blobel warming of

1090
00:49:32,259 --> 00:49:29,809
them sir there's a tolerance level and

1091
00:49:33,579 --> 00:49:32,269
you hear so much of it and again we

1092
00:49:35,469 --> 00:49:33,589
don't know what's right and what's wrong

1093
00:49:37,930 --> 00:49:35,479
how do I know if the employment of the

1094
00:49:39,609 --> 00:49:37,940
barking matter E's got the right point

1095
00:49:42,009 --> 00:49:39,619
I'm not qualified in this sort of thing

1096
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:42,019
in comparison however we had dr. Chrissy

1097
00:49:45,309 --> 00:49:44,180
Wilson just beforehand and everybody was

1098
00:49:48,279 --> 00:49:45,319
getting into medication because

1099
00:49:50,469 --> 00:49:48,289
everybody was seeing themselves a lot of

1100
00:49:52,509 --> 00:49:50,479
material which a lot of us have been

1101
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:52,519
subject to before about the psychology

1102
00:49:56,859 --> 00:49:54,920
belief understanding that there are

1103
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,869
variety of factors and that it's not the

1104
00:50:01,029 --> 00:49:59,119
opportunity just as she said himself to

1105
00:50:03,249 --> 00:50:01,039
say all that storm woman who's turned up

1106
00:50:05,529 --> 00:50:03,259
a tip dinner party that Tim Minchin has

1107
00:50:07,269 --> 00:50:05,539
turned up to she's just a flake she can

1108
00:50:08,829 --> 00:50:07,279
just be dismissed you have to stop step

1109
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,839
back and take a meter look at it and say

1110
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,160
well what are the factors that are

1111
00:50:15,609 --> 00:50:12,079
involved here because I'm mainly talking

1112
00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:15,619
to a lovely intelligent bubbly creative

1113
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:18,200
person who just sentence to say I run a

1114
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,940
lovely little herbal shop and you should

1115
00:50:23,859 --> 00:50:21,200
check out some of my homeopathic

1116
00:50:25,299 --> 00:50:23,869
treatments so can you just easily say

1117
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:25,309
right that's it red wine in place before

1118
00:50:30,350 --> 00:50:28,910
the places I've got yet yeah but I think

1119
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,360
maybe the differences between the two

1120
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:32,520
editions was the doctor cracy basis on a

1121
00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:33,960
lot of primary research that she did

1122
00:50:38,930 --> 00:50:36,540
herself while the one who fructose is

1123
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:38,940
more it was couched in terms of

1124
00:50:44,090 --> 00:50:41,160
marketing and that's I think what sort

1125
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,100
of it seemed like it was marketing it

1126
00:50:48,050 --> 00:50:46,500
wasn't research-based it was it sounded

1127
00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:48,060
like a marketing picture book silly

1128
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:51,120
claims to have based all of that on 3000

1129
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:54,300
academic papers or of some of the 3000

1130
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:55,740
academic papers and they support his

1131
00:50:59,540 --> 00:50:58,050
eminence he says that there's no one who

1132
00:51:00,860 --> 00:50:59,550
will publish his work because it's

1133
00:51:03,830 --> 00:51:00,870
already been covered this is he's

1134
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:03,840
repeating fact and not being an expert I

1135
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:04,980
don't know whether he's talking to the

1136
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:06,990
truth or not and that's what I think the

1137
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:09,450
organization led us down they didn't

1138
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:11,700
have an expert there on the stage to

1139
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:14,040
discuss right we're all going you're a

1140
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:16,770
quack and that will play right into that

1141
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:19,110
stereotype receptive that we would just

1142
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:21,090
say no about that when really one who's

1143
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:23,010
saying shouldn't make fat I know that

1144
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:26,220
already because I'm fat but but he was

1145
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:27,900
just trying to say sugar makes you fat

1146
00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:30,450
diabetic cancerous and heart disease I

1147
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:31,950
should point out it on the podcast

1148
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:33,810
nobody is fat everybody here is

1149
00:51:41,810 --> 00:51:40,260
beautiful and no one has a beard by the

1150
00:51:43,610 --> 00:51:41,820
way can I quickly comment on that last

1151
00:51:46,610 --> 00:51:43,620
point sorry I'm taking up too much of

1152
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:46,620
the airway I know in science you don't

1153
00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:49,020
just publish original research papers I

1154
00:51:52,460 --> 00:51:50,460
did this experiment these were the

1155
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:52,470
result is the implications it is also

1156
00:51:56,510 --> 00:51:54,180
perfectly acceptable to publish review

1157
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:56,520
papers i have read seven hundred papers

1158
00:52:01,340 --> 00:51:58,920
on this topic here is what the evidence

1159
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:01,350
seems to indicate now that is perfectly

1160
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,090
acceptable within science and if this

1161
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:05,040
bloke had a good scientific case he

1162
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:06,570
could write it up in the forum for paper

1163
00:52:10,820 --> 00:52:08,490
like that and my guess is that a journal

1164
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:10,830
would probably take it he claims that he

1165
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:12,420
will do that if we can give him the

1166
00:52:16,850 --> 00:52:14,310
advice that would allow and people would

1167
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:16,860
that include submitted to and so we

1168
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:19,500
should facilitate that I possibly serve

1169
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:20,940
but I was surprised he hasn't done it

1170
00:52:25,339 --> 00:52:22,680
before you yes I mean he's asking us

1171
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:25,349
some skeptics convention in

1172
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:27,180
Bruce he's got a father in Moore who's a

1173
00:52:31,789 --> 00:52:29,849
scientist and he can't say bmj

1174
00:52:33,499 --> 00:52:31,799
Australian Medical Journal journal in

1175
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:33,509
the American Medical Association shot to

1176
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:35,910
right she stepped up latency no worries

1177
00:52:39,289 --> 00:52:37,380
talk to me during lunch time i'll be

1178
00:52:40,789 --> 00:52:39,299
there i can give you sit up so this has

1179
00:52:43,249 --> 00:52:40,799
been in that way of the conference to be

1180
00:52:45,859 --> 00:52:43,259
out of networking although i did get one

1181
00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:45,869
comment I heard dr. Chrissy Wilson being

1182
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:47,849
congratulated by a skeptic outside the

1183
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,900
food hall and he said to her

1184
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:50,640
congratulations on your excellent paper

1185
00:53:00,559 --> 00:52:58,079
it should have been twice as long now I

1186
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:00,569
denied that that that sort of thing that

1187
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:02,460
Chrissy does apart from being an

1188
00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:04,170
interesting talk she's also very

1189
00:53:08,749 --> 00:53:06,059
entertaining and I really appreciate

1190
00:53:10,339 --> 00:53:08,759
entertaining speakers I mean there's one

1191
00:53:13,069 --> 00:53:10,349
thing to stand up behind the leg turnin

1192
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:13,079
and just present a paper on whatever but

1193
00:53:16,279 --> 00:53:14,400
you go around the stage and you have

1194
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:16,289
funny slides and get people laughing and

1195
00:53:20,569 --> 00:53:17,940
everything like that I think it really

1196
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,579
aids in conveying the appoint apart from

1197
00:53:25,099 --> 00:53:22,559
anything else and maybe she's come from

1198
00:53:27,859 --> 00:53:25,109
the Richard Wiseman school presentation

1199
00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:27,869
very similar presentation she's a former

1200
00:53:37,309 --> 00:53:29,880
so who once played a prostitute on the

1201
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:37,319
bill was it all alive well she was also

1202
00:53:41,209 --> 00:53:39,900
a airline hostess so I guess making

1203
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:41,219
people comfortable and getting me to

1204
00:53:47,509 --> 00:53:43,049
this guess what we're in for a rocky

1205
00:53:49,759 --> 00:53:47,519
ride people say don't take any notice of

1206
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:49,769
those oxygen masks you know kind of it's

1207
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:55,750
well we have to unsettle e wrap this up

1208
00:54:00,560 --> 00:53:59,040
this rather abbreviated brisbane think

1209
00:54:03,050 --> 00:54:00,570
tank because we all have to rush back

1210
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:03,060
for the next presentation which starts

1211
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,380
in about five minutes but i'd like to

1212
00:54:09,860 --> 00:54:06,660
thank all the skeptics who gathered here

1213
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:09,870
to join us in the think tank and

1214
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:11,220
disrupting their lunch they got their

1215
00:54:15,110 --> 00:54:12,780
lunch on their laps some of them at the

1216
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:15,120
moment and there's a whole lot of luck

1217
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:20,010
what I call cowards run who had the

1218
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:21,930
opportunity to say something that's all

1219
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:23,550
I can't talk weekend members of the

1220
00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:24,990
young Australian skeptics give us a

1221
00:54:28,070 --> 00:54:26,550
shout out come on you guys you're being

1222
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:28,080
really proactive at this conference in

1223
00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:30,630
terms of putting out videos and putting

1224
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:32,520
out your flyers and the badges and so

1225
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:44,170
do what data happy singer calm does and

1226
00:54:48,590 --> 00:54:46,430
that's the I also in the back of the

1227
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:48,600
room we've got thing take regular Diane

1228
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:51,960
hello Diane there you are you see just

1229
00:54:57,110 --> 00:54:54,720
to prove the cheese here thank you once

1230
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:57,120
again everybody and I love doing these

1231
00:55:00,500 --> 00:54:58,920
think tanks on the road so to speak

1232
00:55:01,970 --> 00:55:00,510
normally we have a couple of beers or a

1233
00:55:03,590 --> 00:55:01,980
champagne or something with this but oh

1234
00:55:05,330 --> 00:55:03,600
well it doesn't matter and on the right

1235
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:05,340
we need to camels and a box of duck and

1236
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:06,780
a box of ducks and I think we all have

1237
00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:09,680
to rush out now grab some fruit juice

1238
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:12,420
and head back to convention but without

1239
00:55:23,609 --> 00:55:19,670
are you being personal about Mesa

1240
00:55:26,310 --> 00:55:23,619
mention it so from Brisbane is a sunny

1241
00:55:44,849 --> 00:55:26,320
and hot Queensland in Australia it's

1242
00:55:46,859 --> 00:55:44,859
goodbye from the think tank hi I'm Jason

1243
00:55:49,050 --> 00:55:46,869
and I'm Andrew from the nonsense podcast

1244
00:55:51,090 --> 00:55:49,060
bringing you a skeptical overview of

1245
00:55:53,070 --> 00:55:51,100
news religion and all forms of

1246
00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:53,080
pseudoscience we're defending science

1247
00:55:56,580 --> 00:55:54,460
and reason against the onslaught of

1248
00:55:58,620 --> 00:55:56,590
medical and spiritual nonsense all week

1249
00:56:01,440 --> 00:55:58,630
we are busy researching and debunking

1250
00:56:03,810 --> 00:56:01,450
pseudoscience but on the seventh day we

1251
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:03,820
listened to the skeptic zone check us

1252
00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:06,910
out at nonsense podcast libsyn com or

1253
00:56:22,289 --> 00:56:08,590
search for the nonsense podcast on

1254
00:56:26,769 --> 00:56:24,549
so Richard what do you think of Brisbane

1255
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,779
Brisbane was fantastic it was pretty hot

1256
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,640
though I mean it was steamy hot but that

1257
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:30,079
at least the the rooms were

1258
00:56:34,690 --> 00:56:32,329
air-conditioned yeah it does get very

1259
00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:34,700
warm up their knees and I almost live

1260
00:56:38,980 --> 00:56:36,470
there for the yeah everything else

1261
00:56:40,299 --> 00:56:38,990
except the climate it's really more but

1262
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:40,309
it's becoming a bit of a cosmopolitan

1263
00:56:44,769 --> 00:56:42,650
city too i served there back in the 80s

1264
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:44,779
and it was a real like sleepy you know

1265
00:56:49,150 --> 00:56:46,910
country town it's now quite oh it

1266
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:49,160
changed its change let me I remember it

1267
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:51,170
from the 70s and the 80s when we used to

1268
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,640
live near there and it was always I

1269
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:54,319
thought it was like I saw Star Wars

1270
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:55,970
there in fact when I was not a kid we

1271
00:57:00,130 --> 00:56:57,650
went on a special trip to Brisbane to

1272
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:00,140
see Star Wars really they actually had a

1273
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:02,450
movie theater there baby that's

1274
00:57:06,970 --> 00:57:05,569
phenomenal yeah it's just now it's just

1275
00:57:10,329 --> 00:57:06,980
become this great big sort of

1276
00:57:12,370 --> 00:57:10,339
international city it is and well look I

1277
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:12,380
love Brisbane Brisbane is fantastic but

1278
00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:14,390
the city in question the city of the

1279
00:57:19,210 --> 00:57:15,859
hour the city of the year next year will

1280
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:19,220
be Sydney for GM Australia that's right

1281
00:57:25,059 --> 00:57:23,119
I remember the 26 November the 26 to the

1282
00:57:27,069 --> 00:57:25,069
28th and I want to put out a big plea

1283
00:57:28,769 --> 00:57:27,079
everybody can sort of help us we're

1284
00:57:32,769 --> 00:57:28,779
flying in all sorts of people including

1285
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:32,779
james randi filling Brian Dunning George

1286
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,910
her ab caracal sandisk is going to be

1287
00:57:39,220 --> 00:57:36,559
here lots more names on the way

1288
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:39,230
including the whole cast of the skeptics

1289
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:40,880
guide to the universe our good friends

1290
00:57:45,549 --> 00:57:42,710
at the skeptics guide but they sort of

1291
00:57:47,739 --> 00:57:45,559
need our help so anybody would like to

1292
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:47,749
chip in and help get all five of them

1293
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:49,910
here run to the skeptics guide to the

1294
00:57:53,769 --> 00:57:51,650
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1295
00:57:55,329 --> 00:57:53,779
donate button arm little donation let's

1296
00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:55,339
all make it count something we've got it

1297
00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:57,049
we got a few thousand listeners here so

1298
00:58:01,299 --> 00:57:59,210
maybe if they yeah yeah a dollar each a

1299
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,309
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1300
00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:02,960
more than necklace paypal's a bit mean

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when you play a daughter that's true

1302
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:07,849
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1303
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,410
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1304
00:58:12,430 --> 00:58:10,880
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1305
00:58:15,069 --> 00:58:12,440
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1306
00:58:17,529 --> 00:58:15,079
head over to their website and donate

1307
00:58:19,749 --> 00:58:17,539
but will be will be reminding you over

1308
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:19,759
the next year yeah that's going to be a

1309
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,470
huge event it's gonna be a big Steph and

1310
00:58:25,420 --> 00:58:23,599
I hope you'll be there oh I am there I

1311
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:25,430
think one of those days I was something

1312
00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:27,410
on like a wedding or something but I'll

1313
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:28,820
be I'll be in and out all

1314
00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:30,950
through the whole weekend so huge now

1315
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:35,150
next episode episode 60 60 unbelievable

1316
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,250
yeah I have no idea what's on episode 60

1317
00:58:41,010 --> 00:58:39,440
but I know it'll be good yeah you know

1318
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:41,020
it's number 60 that's that's all yeah

1319
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:43,010
okay we shall see in a couple of weeks

1320
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:50,910
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